American astrophysicist Christian apologeticist Jason Lisle’s take on the “molecules in motion” logical fallacy argument, for the existence of god (Ѻ); the gist of which amounts to pointing out that things such as logic, morality, ethics, justice, etc., arising out of a blind random chance Epicurean universe of atoms and molecules moving about is an apparent contradiction, and therefore and absurd position. |
“Naive realism is the view of the plain man, who supposes that objects exist independent of him, regardless of whether any one perceives them or in any way thinks of them. The apple exists, and is red, slightly sour, sweet, and solid, whether any mind in the universe takes notice of it or not. Scientific realism maintains that the primary qualities of matter exist independent of human minds; for it the apple of the plain man becomes atoms and molecules in motion, or electric charges. The new realists are not quite certain whether to side with the naive or the scientific realist; they would like to show, if possible, that both are in some sense right. Numbers, and all mathematical and logical principles, exist independent of minds, and of all events that go on in the world process: they subsist as eternal essences or entities. 7 plus 5 equals 12 whether any one knows it, or thinks of it, or not. The same is true of the higher numbers that no one yet has ever counted, and of the undiscovered fields of higher mathematics. Whether moral axioms also (like those of justice, benevolence and equity) subsist eternally, apart from minds, is a disputed point among the new realists themselves.”
“Perhaps appropriate translation principles will take us from the inanimate to consciousness, rather as appropriate principles take us from molecules in motion to temperature and pressure (in gas theory). Perhaps a physics and chemistry of the organism could be teleological?”
“Morality also exists in the universe, for without morality, there would be no such thing as right and wrong. However, the moral judgments we make show that we do believe there are such things as right and wrong. Still, nature is non-moral. No one holds a rock morally responsible for tripping him [see: Alexander Pope, "should gravity cease when I go by?"]. There is no way that mere ‘molecules in motion’ could produce moral values. Since nature is non-moral but morality exists in the universe, the cause of the universe must be a moral being.”— Phil Fernandes (1998), No Other Gods (pg. 76)
“If atheism is true, then man is mere molecules in motion. He has no greater value than animals. In fact, human life would be no more sacred than the existence of a rock. Yet, we act as if human life has more value than the life of animals or the existence of rocks. If the material universe is all there is, then man is just a material part of the universe. There seems to be no basis from which to argue for human rights or the sanctity of human life.”— Phil Fernandes (1998), No Other Gods (pg. 83)
“From molecules in motion will never come moral values or the laws of logic. From a mound of dirt, a single thought will never be produced—no matter how much time is given. If no god exists and all we are is molecules in motion, from whence come human rights? If an innocent child is merely a random collection of atoms, can we really say that it is wrong to crush him? If there is no life after death and all we face is everlasting extinction, can this life really have meaning? What counsel can an atheist offer a suffering friend on his deathbed? Can we climb above despair if all we face is extinction? When the universe dies, all will die with it. If atheism is true, then human experience is a cruel joke. And, if life is a cruel joke, then why even bother to go on living?”— Phil Fernandes (1998), No Other Gods (pg. 86)
“Heisenberg states that there is unavoidable randomness at the quantum level, and things are not deterministic. Naturalists agree that a deterministic, molecules-in-motion worldview doesn’t work. Consciousness, morality, and other complex human traits don’t follow directly from fundamental quantum laws, but they are examples ofemergent phenomena.”
Quotes
“Christopher is somebody who is very concerned about human freedom as I am, but again, if we are just molecules in motion, how do we have human freedom? William Provine from Cornell, he’s a materialist, a Darwinist, he points out that we don’t have any human freedom if all we are is molecules in motion. Now, Christopher ought not scold anybody for being a snake-handling, Bible-thumping, funny mentalist preacher because according to his own world view, that person is that way because these are just chemicals going on in his brain. Neither could you say that Hitler had done anything wrong if it’s just chemicals going on in his brain. I mean, what is the murder molecule? How much does justice weigh? These are questions that have no answer in a materialistic world view, but that is Christopher’s world view.”— Frank Turek (2008), query to Christopher Hitchens [4]
“Alright. Let me ask the question another way. This is my last question. If god does not exist why do all people have a fixed moral obligation to love and not murder? How do molecules in motion have any authority to tell you how to behave? When you do something wrong, whose standard are you breaking, who are you displeasing? The carbon atom? The benzene molecule? Who?”— Frank Turek (2008), query to Christopher Hitchens [4]
“In a world where there is no god, where you and are just molecules in motion, why am I obligated to be rational?”— Dustin Segers (2012), Reason Rally debate (Ѻ), comment to atheist college student (age 19) Adam Johnson (with glasses), Washington, D.C., Mar 24
“Carl Sagan when to his grave ‘viewing the whole universe is nothing more than molecules in motion’.”— Ravi Zacharias (2008), End of Reason [3]
“The human species is but one of many. Viewed from a sort of universal microscope, we appear as but a vast collection of molecules in motion. In our current state we are firmly attached to an earthly substrate, feeding off the energy gradient of the sun. The fate of our chemical species is undeniably tied to the affinities and energies of interaction required to maintain our evolving earth ecosystem. We live in a closed system. In order to understand the nature of things, we must learn more about both our reactions and our products.”— Jeff Tuhtan (2012), PhD dissertation: “A Modeling Approach for Alpine Rivers Impacted by Hydropeaking Including the Second Law Inequality” [5]